[ELTeCS_PE​RU] EL INGLES EN LOS COLEGIOS DEL ESTADO

Queridos colegas,


Habría que añadir otras preguntas a las de Luis Negrini y a las inquietudes de Sara Costa:

¿Cuántos profesores de ingles se necesitarían para abarcar desde por lo menos 4to de primaria?

¿Cuántas instituciones superiores deberían ofrecer la especialidad?

¿Cuántos docentes-catedráticos se necesitarían para que enseñen y preparen a los profesores de ingles en estas instituciones? ¿Los tenemos?

¿Es necesario enseñar ingles en todas las regiones, en todos los departamentos?

¿Son los programas de lengua materna debidamente desarrollados para que a partir de 4to de primaria con una excelente base de capacidades desarrolladas en los dos primeros niveles de primaria se pueda construir la adquisición de una segunda lengua (o tercera en caso de quechua, aymara y otras lenguas)?

¿Saben cuántos docentes egresan de Educación en general en los diferentes institutos pedagógicos y universidades del país? ¿Cuántos postulan?

¿Saben cuántos programas ELT totalmente financiados por instituciones extranjeras que incluyó capacitación de profesores, libros y becas para los alumnos, becas de post grado, oficina con teléfono en el MED con biblioteca para los profesores,etc, con excelentes resultados no solamente en Lima sino en otros departamenots del país dejaron de funcionar al cambiar cada gobierno en las tres últimas decadas del siglo XX ? ¿Que pasó con el efecto multiplicador?

¿Podría cada Colegio Premium tener un Colegio Hermano para alumnos de escasos recursos? Sé que unos pocos lo tienen, necesitamos más.

Me agradaría recibir algunas respuestas y compararlas con las que he venido experimentando a través de mi larga carrera magisterial, primero en el estado y luego en la docencia privada.

Sigamos trabajando por la educación de nuestro querido Perú, por que a todos los niños y adolescentes les demos las herramientas de progreso que necesitan.

Norma Bustamante

From: Joanna Tapia

To: eltecs_peru@yahoogroups.com; lnegrini@yahoo.com

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:22 PM

Subject: RE: [ELTeCS_PERU] EL INGLES EN LOS COLEGIOS DEL ESTADO


TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO.


PROF. JOANNA TAPIA

[ELTeCS_PE​RU] English teaching in State schools and[ELTeCS_PE​RU] Happy Teacher´s Day

Dear friends


I have read with great interest the comments about English teaching in State schools and am really happy at the response of people from different backgrounds, thanks for enlightening the rest of us on the importance of being aware of the overall situation of Education in Peru and the role we all play in this.

I visited the web page of the Ministery of Education to check the document- signed in 2007- that summarizes the plan the government has for the Education of our children until 2021: Proyecto Educativo Nacional al 2021, La Educación que queremos para el Perú, where the authorities list the strategic objectives for Education such as Equal opportunities, Quality and pertinence of learning contents, Teacher training, Descentralization, the desire of higher education teaching aiming at enhancing competitiveness of our students in the globalized world and the Involvement of the community in education; several of these are issues have already been pointed out by some of the participants of this ELTeCS discussion. It is a pity there is nothing specific about teaching English as a foreign language.

My modest contribution is to thank all those who shared their comments and experience and my wish that some of these reached the people who make decisions in the Ministry because I think that more information means

Like all of you I believe it is important to do whatever is within our reach to improve the situation of education in Peru but I am convinced that it starts with us; the current situation of education in Peru constitutes a great challenge especially for teachers who need to be constantly updating to meet the needs of the students. As we all know,teaching is no longer writing a lesson plan or a quiz, teaching a class and then going back home. On the contrary, the real challenge is teaching involving social, economic and cultural aspects so as to achieve an educational context that would help students become better citizens. Unfortunately as we all know, this is easier said than done.

So thanks to all those who have been exchanging ideas in this ELTeCS forum and congratulations Cesar on this. Having a platform where we can exchange ideas and opinions is one of the main facilities of this scheme so it is also our responsibility to pass on the word to have more subscriptors, this is another way we can help ourselves to improve.

I will be looking forward to more posts on this topic.

Best regards

M. E. Maria Luisa Mu

Live as if you were to die tomorrow.

Learn as if you were to live forever. (Ghandi)
 
Dear colleagues




Good teachers impart good education.


Great teachers groom their students to become leaders.


Ordinary teachers direct us along the right path, but


Great teachers inspire us to seek our own path. They encourage us to discover our talents.


(Anatole France)


Happy Teacher´s Day!!!!!


Maria Luisa Mu


Live as if you were to die tomorrow,


Learn as if you were going to live forever. (Gandhi)

[ELTeCS_PE​RU] English in Public schools

Dear all,


I was a teacher at a public school for nearly 10 years, I resigned 2 years ago. It is true what you all say, but even if you have the qualifications, the books, the lack of CDs (or sound systems in your classroom), the number of students, the number of hours, which are "pedagógicas", will not contribute to our teaching.

I have to admit that in order to cover all I had to do in a semester, I ended up using the very famous grammar translation method and the audiolingual method, as it was easier for me and my students. What would you do if your 2 hours were split into 2 different days and you had to cover a number of topics before the end of the month? It is difficult to include more communicative activities, when you have loads of things to cover in such a short number of hours.

Well, that´s all for me now.

Regards,

Glenda :D

Re: [ELTeCS_PE​RU] : My opinion on the Public schools issue

Dear ELTeCs_Peru colleagues,

I taught ESL in Peru for 19 years from high school to grad school levels until July 2006. I worked with Cesar and many of the people from this list, I know you might now say that "ya no tengo vela en este entierro" and even though I don't teach ESL anymore I still see myself as an ESL teacher, so this is my take on this matter anyway. The FCE level (A or B) or a good TOEFL score (90 or above) have been the minimum English language requirements in many places in Peru for years. I perfectly understand the situation is completely different at public schools, I myself went to a public high school and a public university in Lima, I know the limitations of foreign language education in public education in Peru too well.The British Council has been training/working with public schools future and practicing ESL teachers for years now. I remember they used to have agreements between several public universities/colleges precisely to improve their future ESL student teachers' English level, there used to be seminars, workshops for this purpose as well, I used to travel the country lecturing on the TOEFL exam to teachers in distant provinces/public schools that otherwise would have found it really hard to know about it, I even remember having trained several groups of students from IPN myself in the early 90s. Have all these not been enough? Why is getting an intermediate level of English such an insurmountable task for many after all these years of (to my knowledge) sustained training? I think of public teachers of different subjects too, do Math, PE, computer,etc teachers in public schools have the same problems to achieve the core/basic levels of proficiency in their subjects to be able to teach them? Do these other subjects receive the (much/little/inexistent, you tell me) help ESL teachers get? No? What is the truth behind this?I totally agree on the minimum English proficiency level required to have the right to stand in front of a language class, whether it is a kindergarten or UCLES Proficiency class, there seems to be no disagreement in there. Regards and keep up the good work,


Edgar LarreaU. of South Carolina

[ELTeCS_PE​RU] Fwd: Public schools

Dear ELTeCS


I completely agree with Cesar. I guess I was not clear in my opinion. In relation with level of English, I did not mean KET level as the goal, I was thinking of PET "at least to begin with",like the first step, knowing the reality of pubic school especially outside Lima region.. The ideal situation is to have FCE GRADE A as a minimun requeriment.. But being completely honest this is not a close target in short term..It is absolutely true "you can not give something that you do not have"..

Victor Hugo Corzo

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[ELTeCS_PE​RU] The situation of English

Dear All


I knew that the posting by Luis Negrini was going to raise opinions. I am glad.

My comment is on the level of English needed to become a teacher. I know this is controversial but it is in fact an issue that has caused many aired reactions in the past. My personal opinion and feeling is that an A2 level, as suggested by a member of the group in a previous email, is way too basic. A2 corresponds to KET in the Cambridge system, or to be more specific ELEMENTARY, and being myself an examiner for these tests, I find it difficult to accept that anybody with that kind of level could be a teacher. Remember that you can´t give what you don´t have, in other words, what is somebody going to teach if s/he doesn´t have the knowledge her/himself?

Keep the activity in the list and propose other topics if you like.

See you at IATEFL next week end!

Cesar Klauer
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[ELTeCS_PE​RU] English in Public schools

Dear Colleagues:


I think it is very important to be conscious that the key is not only to increase the number of hours but also to be certain that the person in front of the class is a real teacher of English..at least with A2 level according to the CEFR. I emphasize "at least A2 lever" otherwise more hours of "English"does not mean necessarily effective teaching and quality..it would be just more of the same....it is quality first..then quantity but of a better level....

Lic.Víctor Hugo Corzo

[ELTeCS_PE​RU] EL INGLES EN LOS COLEGIOS DEL ESTADO

Previo cordial saludo a todos los lectores de esta página, me permito formular las siguientes preguntas que tienen como propósito facilitar la reflexión y el análisis sobre la situación actual de la enseñanza del idioma ingles en las instituciones educativas estatales.


1.¿Cuánto tiempo hace que la cantidad de dos horas semanales dedicadas al curso de inglés en los colegios del estado de secundaria permanece inalterable ?

2.En los colegios del estado de secundaria ¿Qué cantidad de las seis horas llamadas de libre disponibilidad se le adiciona al curso de inglés?

3.¿Son suficientes las dos horas semanales para desarrollar de manera aceptable los contenidos propuestos en los mismos libros del curso de inglés dados por el Ministerio de Educación?

4.¿Conoces de alguna iniciativa reciente tomada por las distintas agrupaciones de profesores de inglés existentes en Lima encaminada a gestionar por ante el Ministerio de Educación el incremento en la cantidad de horas dedicadas al curso de inglés en los colegios del estado de secundaria.

5.¿Se debe incluir en el Diseño Curricular Nacional la enseñanza de inglés desde el nivel de Educación Primaria?

Estoy convencido que el mejoramiento de la situación del curso de inglés en los Colegios Estatales traerá consigo un mejoramiento en nuestro desarrollo profesional como docentes del área.

Somos los profesores en ejercicio de la docencia en el sector estatal los que debemos ser los más interesados en buscar / luchar por este mejoramiento. Estemos atentos a convocatorias serias que nazcan de los mismos docentes del estado que busquen este objetivo.



Lic. Luis Negrini Arellano

Subdirector de Gestión Pedagógica

I.E "JOSE DEL CARMEN MARIN ARISTA"

Looking back: Five years of Alan Garcia

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On this, García's last full day in office, we look back at the highs and lows of his tenure.

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The giant Christ

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Alan García and a portion of the statue known as "Christ of the Pacific." (Photo: Perú.21)

Lima mayor, Susana Villarán, has asked president Alan García to consider moving the location of the new statue, known as "Christ of the Pacific," saying the statue will affect the view of the Morro Solar.

The president of the Council of Ministries Rosario Fernández said the work has received the necessary authorizations from the authorities and disagreed with the mayor in her response Monday afternoon.

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One thousand pedestrians fined on first day of Peru's new transit code

More than 1,000 pedestrians fined

Some pedestrians were surprised. Others unexpectedly laughed or, in the worst cases, became terribly annoyed.


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Over the past month, the campaign has turned rough. Lourdes Flores, a lawyer and two-time presidential candidate, has been questioned about a former client who is being investigated for links to narcotrafficking and was recently wiretapped. Villarán, a leftist, has been labeled a radical by opponents.

In the following interviews, meet the two candidates.

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Thousands celebrate Peru’s cuisine at Mistura

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How to volunteer in Peru: Rebuilding Pisco

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Dophins in Peru: A biologist sees tourism as the way to conservation

While killing dolphins for their meat was made illegal in Peru in 1996, you can still find dolphin meat for as cheap as four soles per kilo in the black market. “Now, fishermen don’t touch the bottlenose dolphin, they hunt the darker dolphins instead,” says the German biologist Stefan Austermühle. “Once offshore, they cut out the meat in the ship’s hold and throw the bodies back in the sea to get rid of the evidence.” Austermühle has identified more than 1,500 dolphins off Peru's coast between Chorrillos and Paracas. (He also takes the amazing photos, shown above.) With an NGO formed with his Peruvian wife, they hope to start dolphin watching as a option for tourists and a strategy for dolphin conservation.

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A foreign face: Looking different in Peru

Victoria Lugovskaya came to Peru three months ago. She is Russian, blond and tall, and she doesn't live in the touristy districts of Lima. She, as you can imagined, is noticed. "Whenever I go out, all eyes are on me," Lugovskaya writes. But, she's not just complaining. "And once you get accustomed to the intense interest people show in your unusual looks, you may want to enjoy the benefits of being a foreigner in this country," she writes. "You’ll be welcome here. I learned it from a lot of little experiences when being very nice to me was of no benefit for the people who did it."

http://www.livinginperu.com/features-1203-society-foreign-face-looking-different-peru

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Climbing the Misti

Every now and then a person is gripped by a kind of insane obsession that eventually pushes them to do something they never thought they were capable of. Such is the case for Brenden Allen who, during his time living in Arequipa, found he couldn't seem to ever escape the shadow of El Misti. The fabulous peak, an active volcano nonetheless, rises to a height of 5822 meters (around 19,000 ft) and dominates the Arequipa skyline. Click here to read about Brenden's adventure as he attempts to tackle El Misti!

Clean Water for the Suburbs would be difficult for most of us to imagine what life would be like without access to clean water. However, it is an unfortunate reality that many people throughout Lima do not have access to potable water, and they lack the resources necessary to buy bottled water. In order to confront this problem, the Rotary Club Lima Sunrise has embarked on a mission to provide simple, long-lasting water filters to the people of the regions without reliable water sources. Click here to read more about this wonderful humanitarian effort!

And for information on another Rotary Club Charitable event, click here!

Marinera For all the World

The Marinera is Peru's most emblematic dance and if you haven't had a chance to see it, you don't know what you're missing! It is an extremely flirtatious, playful dance with a precise series of steps which inevitably entice the viewing audience into spontaneous clapping and boisterous cheers. The Marinera can be found all throughout Peru in various shapes and forms (they even train horses to perform it! Read about it here). To find out more about this magnificent Peruvian tradition, and for some information as to some upcoming performances and competitions, click here!